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Título: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Steve Martin en Junio 28, 2010, 04:11:14 pm
We are currently trying to set up a pool of English speaking officers for upcoming battles.  Hopefully such an action will help to stimulate the "International" nature of this website by bringing in and retaining more players from other parts of the world.

If you are comfortable in the English language then please reply to this thread so that you can be added to the pool.

so...as of June 30, 2010

so far we have...
1.  Steve Martin...English with a capable understanding of French and recognition of Spanish...ah yes...that's Spanish...i recognize it
2.  Tinvalle...who i imagine is Spanish but indicates an understanding of English also
3.  Peon 9...another Don who no doubt spent time aboard an English prison hulk and has picked up a decent understanding of the King's English
4.  Pepcock...a non native speaker of English, indicating he is bilingual...i imagine the second language must be Spanish
5.  Mendo...an English speaker who indicates he has a wonderful Indian accent
6.  Mingonomou...ok that name is definitely native by the sound of it...but speaks English albeit with a
Spanish accent
7.  Stieli1...no doubt from the King's German Legion...speaks English with a German accent
8.  Raimon...and another will sail for His Majesty
9.  CaptainDuff...able to understand and speak fairly well in English
10. Sstolk1...fluent in English as well

thus now we have a pool of ten (10) captains all capable of communicating in English
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: tinvalle en Junio 28, 2010, 05:06:08 pm
I'd enough skill in english to be understood.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Peon9 en Junio 28, 2010, 08:00:05 pm
My english is not perfect yet  :P

... buy i like improve it using it when it is possible.

So i could help in linking spanish-english captains or what else was required...  ::)

I think is a good idea to collect english speakers in one battle side in order to help them to understand and participate more in the batte orders previous to the combat and in the comments during and after it.

I also think it is a true luxury to count with english speakers players in Velmad games  :-* , so all i can help to them  ::) , take me in account if it is in my hand  ;)

Best regards
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Pepcock en Junio 28, 2010, 10:19:43 pm
You may count on me. I must practice my english or either I will forget it.

Steve. May I ask you to update your entry with the names of the captains and either if they are bilingual or not? That would help much. Thanks.

Munrox. What do you think about locking the thread?

Well.......we are three at the moment, but I know we will be many more  :D.

Pepcock------Bilingual.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Mendo en Junio 28, 2010, 11:38:24 pm
I served his majesty King George in the East Indies for a couple of years, 100% sure. You can count on me, definitely, despite my strong Indian accent   :D :D
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Mingonomou en Junio 28, 2010, 11:42:56 pm
I speak english... with a funny and charming spanish accent   ;D ;)
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Junio 29, 2010, 09:38:23 pm
If you don't mind a German accent, "beam me up, ehh, sign me in, Scotty". too....
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Steve Martin en Junio 29, 2010, 10:16:27 pm
accents can be as outrageous as you like...

i will update the thread periodically with a listing of captains who have indicated a proficiency in English
and will indicate if they are bilingual or no

so far we have...
1.  Steve Martin...English with a capable understanding of French and recognition of Spanish...ah yes...that's Spanish...i recognize it
2.  Tinvalle...who i imagine is Spanish but indicates an understanding of English also
3.  Peon 9...another Don who no doubt spent time aboard an English prison hulk and has picked up a decent understanding of the King's English
4.  Pepcock...a non native speaker of English, indicating he is bilingual...i imagine the second language must be Spanish
5.  Mendo...an English speaker who indicates he has a wonderful Indian accent
6.  Mingonomou...ok that name is definitely native by the sound of it...but speaks English albeit with a
Spanish accent
7.  Stieli1...no doubt from the King's German Legion...speaks English with a German accent

thus now we have a pool of seven (7) captains all capable of communicating in English
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Pepcock en Junio 29, 2010, 10:36:55 pm
Thanks, Steve. That's the way...

Just a question. It would be easier to track if you just select "modify" in your original post. That way it would be always at the top of the thread.

Seven members in two days. That is a great goal.

Thanks to Munrox for locking the thread. He is everywhere.



4.  Pepcock...a non native speaker of English, indicating he is bilingual...i imagine the second language must be Spanish


Well, Catalan too, and French just understood most of it. About German.... I have promised myself to take up again my third year. That day, Stieli1 and me will form the first German-speaking fleet  ;D ;D ;D
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Raimon en Junio 30, 2010, 07:51:26 pm
Hi folks.

Being sort of multilingual myself (tho' without knowing a teeny little bit of German, Pepcock has me here  ;)), I could enrol in this KEL (King's English-speaking Legion).

So, Steve, count me in. It's a pity to leave you out and I'd be glad to help.

The KGL, ah the memories!  :D


Raimon
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: capitanduff en Julio 10, 2010, 10:04:13 pm
Hi guys!

My English is not perfect but I think that I understand most post and I explain more or less in a basic English
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: sstok1 en Julio 17, 2010, 01:53:53 am
Hi Steve,

I am recently returned to velmad after a long break away from the game.  I'd be happy to join the group if you'll have me.

All you multi lingual folks have my most sincere admiration.  English is my only language, though I am picking up a few Spanish phrases having worked for a Spanish company for the last 5 years  ;D

Simon
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: EDB en Julio 28, 2010, 08:02:56 pm
Steve:

I am still here also. Native English speaker. Alas, no Spanish other than Google translator!

Eric
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Steve Martin en Julio 30, 2010, 06:48:50 pm
welcome aboard EDB
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Agosto 03, 2010, 04:19:53 pm
Re "Google Spanish translator". Does that thing work for english speaking guys. For me the German translation is as good as my own spanish. Which is not too impressive. It is kind of a latin language, I catch a few words here and there and the rest I make up....
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: EDB en Agosto 03, 2010, 06:57:28 pm
Re "Google Spanish translator". Does that thing work for english speaking guys. For me the German translation is as good as my own spanish. Which is not too impressive. It is kind of a latin language, I catch a few words here and there and the rest I make up....

Common words are fine, but it fails with any subject specific terms, for example, full sail, etc.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: capitanduff en Agosto 05, 2010, 09:27:53 pm
Re "Google Spanish translator". Does that thing work for english speaking guys. For me the German translation is as good as my own spanish. Which is not too impressive. It is kind of a latin language, I catch a few words here and there and the rest I make up....

Common words are fine, but it fails with any subject specific terms, for example, full sail, etc.

But the sails are very easy to translate.

In this game we use an abbreviation to indicate the sails, like in English:

Kind of sails                  abb. Spanish                 abb. English
Full sail                            TV                                 FS
Medium sail                       MV                                MS
Easy sail                           PV                                ES (I thik that it's the correct word in English because I never use it)

I think that Google translator it's a good tool because, althought it doesn't give a exact translation, we can understand it just with a little will.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Septiembre 28, 2010, 08:49:45 pm
Having found each other now is fine. But what do we do with it?

How about forming an english speaking fleet, which fights on the same (British) side on a regular basis?

With sufficient training (like they do it in the "Massive Multi Player On Line Games", we even might understand each others flag signals after a while.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Septiembre 28, 2010, 08:57:58 pm
I'm thinking about a new "offensive" in the next weeks to get new "international" players, code name CESNaW  ;D "Catch an english speaker naval wargamer".

It would be great if you could form a team.

I'm also trying to keep always one battle with one side being the english language official side in an attempt to support international players.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Peon9 en Septiembre 28, 2010, 09:51:04 pm
Other measure that it could help a lot i think it is to introduce in the Escenario Editor Data Base, the United States Navy  :-* 8)

I have the data if it is necessary but i supose that other friends too  ;) and even better founded for sure... writing form USA directly  ;D

See fighting the wonderful USS Constitution(44) although in an hypotetical scenario or Campaing, would be great... There were also some ship of the line too... and very powerful indeed (although in the last years of the Napoleonic Wars... some late)

With all the types of ships in the Editor, every hypotetical (of course too the historical althouth were small actions) battle could be possible and i think very attractive for both spanish and foreginer players  :-* 8)

Regards
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Septiembre 29, 2010, 09:39:07 pm
Again: For the US I have various material from WS&IM and the Clash of Arms Naval Battle game. Perhaps not really "scientific", biut god enough to design a scenario.

Especially CoA offers some pretty big actions (though most of them hypthetoical, of course).
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Octubre 28, 2010, 08:40:59 pm
Hmm, one thing EDB (sort of) brought up after our Minorca game:

We may have to think about the bidding process with our British Fleet. We are only a few, so bidding (even pre-battle arrangements) is/are much easier and less costly for us, than for "the others". Which may be kind of unfair in ranking games....

Otherwise: Who starts the next "Britsh Fleet" game?
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Diciembre 12, 2010, 10:48:27 am
Munrox, Gentlemen: Are there any intentions to start a new battle with our "english speaking fleet"? I certainly would love to try it again.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Diciembre 12, 2010, 09:31:56 pm
Yes, we could start a new auction this week. What battle and side do you prefer?
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Fluffy en Diciembre 13, 2010, 05:52:48 pm
I think it is spannish lazy captain's fault for not commenting more in english. Many of us speak english good enough, yet we fail to do it when talking about velmad topics.

If we could force some part of the game to be discussed in english, something like new games or I dunno, to engage with everyone.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Pepcock en Diciembre 13, 2010, 09:39:46 pm
You are right, Fluffy. Sometimes we spend days without taking a look at the english forum. Albeit, I think we lack yet a critical mass in the number of english captains to push the english forum along.

Greetings

Pepcock
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: stieli1 en Diciembre 15, 2010, 08:23:17 pm
Munrox: Considering the 10 to 15 english speaking Captains, I think a smaller battle would be appropriate. Camperdown looks very playable to me. And, of course, we englsih speaking Captains would like to have the Britsh Fleet.

However, we should start actual playing only next year. Otherwise the x-mas holidays would cause quite a disruption at start....
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Diciembre 16, 2010, 02:06:34 am
Ok, let's wait till new year.  :)
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: edward pellew en Diciembre 17, 2010, 06:55:25 pm
Mr. Stieli,
I admire your sense of fairness concerning bidding by the English speaking fleet (not British). As this is the 2nd time you have mentioned this issure, let me assure you it isn't unusual for one side or the other to have higher bids, but I doubt the English speaking players will be able to corner the market on large ships because they get them at a tremendous discount. Remember the number of ships per side is not elastic, it is fixed, so if the English Speaking players grow vastly wealthy, they will begin bidding higher against earch other and so the problem will become self adjusting.

Often the price jump is not nearly between fleets so much as it is between large, veteran, strong hulled ships versus the rest. Indeed sometimes 1st rate Div. ships are a bargain at half the price of a simialar non-command ship.

As one who finds it both unrealistic and... unseemly for new players to command Div. when sometimes senior players end up in sloops, I think there are more fundamental corrections to consider than whether the total amount for the English speaking fleet is a little less than the other fleet in a few battles.

edit: I re-read your post and noticed another point you mentionedI , " Considering 10-15 english speaking captains..." That may be the average number of captains, but not of bidders. That is to say many players bid on 2 or more ships. Many DivC. prefer at least one repeater ship finding that getting valuable information out quickly & correctly at tleast 1/2 way to the fleet is worth a few points. Others find having the critica lead ship of their Div. directly undert their command reduces both delays in confusion & failures in confidence. Then there are many regular C. who enjoy the added cordination of having several shiiiops underder therir command.

i often start bidding on 3 ships and it is the rules and the system that keeps the prices from going out of sight, not the lack of competitors.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: edward pellew en Diciembre 17, 2010, 07:58:24 pm
My compliments to Fluffly & Pepcock,
and with respect to their posts, as someone concerned about the IF for 2 years, I think the problem is rather complex, involving a number of issues.

In fact, a couple of years ago , there was significant participation here by many spanish players for about 1/2 year, during which time I had no need to visit the SF.

edit: actually I didn't feel the need for that time. In fact, I learned when I began to visit the SF, it would have helped all along, there is much that is not discussed in the IF. You just can't have the same discussiion, the same way, twice.]

I think it was the englilsh side that didn't keep up its end. But the reasons for that are really broad from possible cultural differences, to the inescapable fact that the powerhouse players & "assistant game designers" are all spanish, some spanish only, the rest native sp. and limited english. Naturally they will always sp. more naturally, as well as accurately in that lang. That is just the way it is, just as the bias for Packman is english.

I think the total size of the player population is more a factor, because it probably is not enough to support a development platform & a productioon platform. The reason that is important is because of the Regulation translation delay between spanish & english that is a drain on total resources and puts the english only players at a disadvantage.

So there are many fundamental issues that cause the uneven success of the 2 forums. Having thought about the problem, I'm not sure the resources exist yet to make the changes. Which is why I asked if there was the interest for a group to do an indepth "report or study" rather than the off the top of our heads suggestions we usually make in these posts.

Perhaps it is Internet culture & perhaps some laziness, but I notice we are completely resistant to traditional problem solving by a task group who comes back with ideas & suggestions to either the leader or the group. I suggested this concerning surrender/ capture/prizes about a year ago and not one person was interested. So we still wrestle inch by inch with the same issues now and while some may be quite pleased with the incrimental improvements, others think that maybe we are walking 2 sides (maybe 16 sides) of the triangle to get to the goal. [just 2 days ago I was furious with the grappling/surrender system having to guess what was happening to my ship,  :o :o hich I am still not clear about, though it lost to the enemy.]

While "Internet based" fast expression & decision making helps many issues, there are some things it does not help ... looks like the boiler has run out of steam  :D
 







Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Diciembre 18, 2010, 02:16:32 am
One of my goals is to make the international forum "come back to life". Well, I think last year we were talking about this same issue  :( (We need to make a new promotion campaign.)

During these last months I found no time to translate improvements and modifications into English, so you are right, english speakers are at a disadvantage here. Before that, I always translated all improvements the same day I posted on the spanish forum (or the day after that).

Now that we have the wiki I pretend to rely on others players (volunteers) to develop documents, translations, ..., the same way I rely on players to create new scenarios, campaigns, battles, ... I have no time to do all the work if I want to start new projects.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: edward pellew en Diciembre 18, 2010, 03:48:50 pm
I well understand the situation.

I am not criticizing, as I don't understand how you have time to sleep now :)
That is, I'm not criticizing about this, of course you know I criticize about other issues where you foolishly disagree with me.  jejejeje

I am just stating the situation which is, as it is:

1) sometimes the translation still needs to be "translated more" to be clear

2) sometimes it needs to  be explainned, so that a player that wasn't in the discussion of why a change was needed, will understand what the difference is supppose to be helping.

3)either way, the changes are not in the R&R, but a seperate document makes it harder for the new player to understand; Sometimes in order to understand a change, you have to look up the old rule, then figure out how the new rule changes the old one. It's more complicated. And I know the Wiki is suppose to help there, but it will take some time (maybe a long time) before a lot of players learn how to use it and are willing to take extrra time to do that.

I know you do the best you can, but part of the discussion is about why the Inter. F is doing so poorly. Even Bill Gates is having difficulty stopping disease amoung children. ;)


Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Diciembre 18, 2010, 03:54:56 pm
Citar
of course you know I criticize about other issues where you foolishly disagree with me.  jejejeje

Well, don't worry, you know I also have to deal with Lomax in the spanish forum   ;D

I agree with your 3 points. Suggestions?
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: centipetus en Diciembre 18, 2010, 09:06:50 pm

Suggestions?

Kill Lomax.
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: Munrox en Diciembre 18, 2010, 09:50:54 pm
I'm trying to do it (battle 653)  ;D
Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: edward pellew en Diciembre 21, 2010, 06:57:18 pm
Centipedus

You are on a warm, white, sandy beach sitting in a surprisingly comfortable lounge chair; the sky is blue with a few small clouds high up, but there is a cooling breeze that wafts the scent of tropical flowers, while the warm sun relaxes your muscles. Beside you is a bottle of cool water and in a small bucket are several bottles of ice cold beer.

Walking down the beach talking earnestly to a young woman is a man, which you realize is Lomax. Your body tenses, your teeth clinch, you are about to shout some insult at him, but you stop yourself. The sun is warm, you take a deep breath and let it out quickly feeling your body relax again. You say nothing, then your remember your exercise. They are walking down by the water, and as he is about to pass, when you give him an easy salute. He sees the salute, stops talking, and realizes who you are. After a brief hesitation his hand slowly rises to his brow, then he continues walks down the beach with the woman.

You reach into the bucket of ice, pull out a bottle for another long drink and settle back into your chair wondering what you will order for dinner.



Título: Re: English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: centipetus en Diciembre 23, 2010, 10:29:13 pm
A bottle of cold water? What for? Is it mine? Must be the sun... probably need another beer.

I'm not sure about dinner... lobster again? naah... Yes! I know her! She is Edward's sister! Mmm... beautiful fresh flesh... mmmm... Stop! She belongs to a friend of mine. Fluffy, my friend! You wouldn't like my feelings... sorry!

But... what is that creeping worm doing with her? Trying to ...? Naah, everyone knows he is gay.
Could it be a step to reach Edward? Or Fluffy? Gee, nasty... Yes, I'm absolutely sure.

Ha! They must be back here in minutes. "We will run only ten miles today", I was told. Yes, minutes...
Hummm... I'd like a wrestling on the beach... but there is Mx, and that sort of lifeguard would not allow...

Mmm... a steak? French fries?
Título: Re:English Speaking Officers
Publicado por: alce en Marzo 08, 2013, 02:04:21 pm
Hello there!
i dont know if this request  is still active but I volunteer.

Born spanish but got the fortune (or torture) of sharing appartment with a scottish long enough !

count on me!